When The Container Isn’t Big Enough: How Much Therapy Do You Need?

I’ve been struggling a lot with therapy, lately… Actually, no, that’s not quite right -therapy is fine, good, really good (when I am there!)… but what isn’t so good is the *time between sessions* and the shitstorm that can (and does) blow up in the gaps between seeing Elle.

My system seems to be perpetually activated these days, and I find it thoroughly exhausting and stressful navigating the nightmares (usually with Elle in), the intense panic, and the heightened fear of being left or abandoned that escalates in intensity as the week goes on.

There’s always the huge separation anxiety that builds and builds during the week before triggering the protectors at the weekend which sends me through a whole other set of loops. I don’t know what’s worse, the small parts sad, lost, and crying or the angry protectors wanting to burn everything to the ground.

Like today, Monday, I feel like I just want to quit therapy altogether because this emotional cycle feels so painful and too hard. I feel thoroughly disconnected from Elle and the idea of even going tomorrow feels impossible because my mind has convinced me that I am set for rejection and that there is no solid base or relationship and so I am wasting my time.

The sensible thing would be to reach out and tell her that this is happening but what’s the point? (Is that the teen? Probably).

I will go because I know that I need to, but pushing through the wall of protectors to even get there means that there will there will be consequences. I will struggle to sleep tonight, mind you my sleep is appalling anyway so I guess that’s nothing new. When it feels bad like this, there is always a total and absolute physical terror in my body. Sometimes it’s just on the day of the session, but today it’s really live, too, and I feel horrible.

To get to my session I have about a ten minute walk across town from where I park my car, and the whole time my heart races, I feel physically sick, and my mouth is dry even though parts of me are desperate to see Elle…it’s honestly fucking horrific. When I am waiting for Elle to come and get me, I feel completely terrified and like I will burst into tears and often my body trembles. It’s so hard. My entire system is in chaos at that point – and yet you’d never know. Externally I appear completely fine – but that comes from years of hiding how I am really feeling in order to survive in the world.

Let’s be clear, this hellscape isn’t because of anything that Elle is or isn’t doing – like there’s no suggestion that she’s suddenly going to end, or leave, or suddenly be horrible and attacking and do something to hurt me (I need to make a big sign with this on!) – it is simply because my system has been triggered off its tits after what happened with Anita and Em. Because of what’s happened with them I can’t get a sense of feeling safe or ok in myself at all – let alone safe with Elle when I am not with her – and of course I am not with her for quite a few days at a time. I know it’s only a week between sessions, but my system just doesn’t cope at all – it’s too long.

Part of the problem is that I struggle a lot with ‘forgetting’ Elle between sessions even though we have a reasonable amount of contact during the week. When I finally see her after a week it can feel like I don’t really know who she is, or whether she’s safe, or… basically it’s the object constancy stuff isn’t it?! Not only that, even if I can hold onto Elle as someone who is safe there is the constant worry that she might change…I think probably we need to do some work with the scared parts so they understand she isn’t Anita or Em…teens particularly just see her as ‘therapist’ and therapists cannot be trusted.

Because of all this, it can take me quite a while to settle into the session because I feel like I am doing my fifty-point check to assess where we are at. Thankfully, generally speaking, when I am actually with Elle it feels fine – especially now that she sits on the sofa beside me rather than in the chair across the room. This, at least, removes the need for any additional mental gymnastics about whether or not she feels disgusted by me and wants to keep her distance which of course are all part of the internal narrative that gets super loud during the week.

I am really glad that we do a ninety-minute session because it can take a good half an hour to relax into the space when I have got myself so worked up (I have no idea how I used to cope with 50 minute sessions with Em- oh of course, I didn’t cope at all!!!) .

It obviously takes a while to trust that the person in the room with me is the same one that I saw last week (and for the previous fourteen months) and that nothing has changed – because therapists do change and drop unexpected bombs (mentioning no names!). I guess to the protector parts it’s important not to remove my armour prematurely in case I get an unexpected grenade launched at me – you know the type that rolls and lands just under my ribcage and stops just where my heart lies – Boom! It’s happened before and I really hope it doesn’t happen again.

If False Adult doesn’t take my session, then it’s all good. At least in the session it feels safe and connected. But no matter who turns up to the session, I feel like when I leave, I almost instantly fall into a panic, not because anything is especially wrong in that immediate moment, but more because I know what’s coming. I only see Elle once a week despite us having a really decent length session (and I really know that I am so lucky to have that), by the time it gets to Friday it’s really not great inside. The wheels on my mini-bus have pretty much fallen off and all the littles have unclipped their seat belts and someone has to take charge – and that’s the dream team of protectors. It’s awful.

Basically, by Friday, my ability to hang it together feels massively reduced and the days until I next see Elle seem to stretch out endlessly. I feel like I am always stretching that bit too far between our sessions and so never really feel properly settled/safe. It feels a bit like a fuck tonne of water is building up behind the emotional dam but the release valve is never activated early enough and so there’s always going to be a flood – despite the high-tech flood management system I have in place.

I am really conscious of not being ‘too needy’ or ‘too much’ or ‘too dependent’ and I really don’t want to run the risk of burning Elle out or, probably more apt for this metaphor, drowning her! So, what do you do when the container isn’t big enough to hold everything from week to week?…or rather, what do I do when I seem to be too much for the container I’ve got?

I have no fucking idea.

It feels like an impossible bind. I don’t want to stop the therapy because actually what all this is telling me is that I need more therapy at the moment, not less…but making what there is ‘enough’ is a challenge especially when I am already exploiting every self-care strategy I have available to me. I don’t just sit and mope about in the week (well, perhaps I did a bit this weekend!) and still this stuff is activated in the biggest way.

I guess part of it is that it feels like there is never quite enough time to get through all the things that I need to talk about or that need space and attention. For example, it might be that we do some really great work on big important stuff. Last week we spoke at length about Anita (which stirred a lot up on its own), but because of this, the young parts that need a degree of reassurance and a different kind of interaction weren’t attended to (even though I was leaning against Elle the entire time and she held my hand…ugh…make my Brian function better please!) and that has unleashed carnage inside this week!

Whereas the week before last, I was in a right fucking mess and so we read a lovely story and had a really calm, nurturing session. It was absolutely what I needed, but then there was all sorts of adult stuff that didn’t get space that really could have done with some time, too. Neglecting adult is far less problematic than neglecting the little parts – and it’s not even neglecting, it’s simply time – but it all needs space and time and there just isn’t enough…even with ninety minutes (talk faster and get to the point sooner, eh?!).

So this is why there is always too much building up behind the dam wall… then throw in the hideous attachment shit on top and frankly, I’m fucked.

This would be a really useful conversation to have with Elle, wouldn’t it? But the problem is, I can’t see a solution to my problem. Elle only works face-to-face two days a week and is always busy. So, what I think would help (i.e another session) and what is actually possible just doesn’t align at the moment and so I have to keep trying to make this work as it is.

The feelings of shame are huge right now. I am so sick of being like this. I hate that I seem to need so much more fucking input and care than everyone else. Like, part of me gets there’s been a lot of trauma and then all the more recent shit on top with therapy going wrong really hasn’t helped…but still. Like why can’t I just be relatively fucking normal and behave like a fucking adult and be bloody fine on a session a week. Why do I seem to spend my life in the fucking hole? Like this week I feel like I have got my legs dangling over the edge of another trapdoor and rather than edging away from it, the protectors want me to jump in the next dark pit.

Ugh…

I used to see Em and Anita on Mondays and Fridays and that spacing felt really good. Like there was enough time between the sessions to process whatever was going on, but there wasn’t too much time until the next session for things to get too much or go too wrong.

I feel a bit like a toddler that’s learning to walk. I can do quite a few steps on my own but by Friday I need a hand to hold for a minute to stop me falling on my arse before I can carry on again. But there is no hand on Friday and so I find that I fall down and it is pretty painful over the weekends.

Every now and then when things are hard, I have asked about seeing Elle for an extra session on the Wednesday but she is always booked up. To be honest, Wednesday probably wouldn’t really help with this problem long-term, as it’s the longer time between sessions that is the issue and this would still leave a big gap the other side.

Elle has offered to so a Zoom session on a Friday before – but I have a feeling (given my online therapy track record) that this might actually make things worse. When I am struggling with distance and connection seeing Elle through a screen rather than in person would likely only intensify the feeling of being far apart and left and lost and all the other shit. Perhaps I need to suggest it here and there, though, because I don’t think I can do many more weeks like this one and perhaps I am only basing my expectations of what online sessions were like with Em and Anita.

This weekend has been terrible. I’ve felt so tired and overwhelmed but I couldn’t seem to rest or sleep because it’s felt like all the little parts of me are crying. There is no soothing that. And I have really tried. I get that this week has probably felt harder because Elle and I properly ventured into the Anita territory in the session and of course that would send seismic waves through my system because there is such a lot of pain there that needs to be looked at. The saga is ongoing with A and it’s just so upsetting.

It feels really difficult. Like I know when I avoid the ‘big’ stuff I am much better equipped to manage the week between sessions. The thing is, I am in therapy to work through this ‘big’ stuff and it feels really helpful to look at it with Elle. I can’t avoid it for much longer because it has a way of catching up with me, anyway. I don’t really know what to do though, because the moment we go there the whole fucking place is underwater as a result. I’m equipped to deal with high tide but this is a fucking tsunami heading my way.

I have no idea what to do. Maybe I should write more? Try and process more that way? Although that doesn’t solve any of the internal panic about Elle, does it? The more we look at Anita and Em the more wobbly I am going to feel about Elle.

I just don’t know. what to do.

What I do know is that this level of activation and upset is crazy-making and exhausting and scary because when this stuff isn’t contained enough I know that I am much harder work, more demanding, more likely to end up in rupture territory because everything is out of control inside…and you don’t have to go too far down the path to see where this can lead. I don’t want to be difficult or create a dynamic where Elle dreads seeing me… I just wish I had a different brain and the ability to make one session and a week between enough!

Right, that’s enough of that… I don’t think there’s much more I can say tbh. Does anyone have any ideas to help with symbolically increasing the capacity of my container??…Any ideas that don’t actually involve me having to bring this to Elle and see me die in a big pit of shame and embarrassment would be lovely! 😉

I get that at some point I am going to have to bring this up because I know the longer I don’t the worse it’s going to get… ffs! HELP!!

25 thoughts on “When The Container Isn’t Big Enough: How Much Therapy Do You Need?

  1. SunsetCherryBlossom's avatar SunsetCherryBlossom October 7, 2024 / 1:59 pm

    Hi RB, it really does seem that over the past few weeks you’ve done a great job of communicating, little by little, what you need. And every week in therapy room you are getting more and more of the therapy that you need. So can you find a way to communicate this too? Send her the blog if that helps?

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    • rubberbandsandchewinggum's avatar rubberbandsandchewinggum October 7, 2024 / 2:37 pm

      Yeah I get what you’re saying but as there doesn’t seem to be a solution to this particular problem it feels like a massive exposure of “hey, coping skills are fucking useless and it’s not great (ps I know how mental this looks)”. I feel physically sick today 🥹

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  2. Virgolady's avatar Virgolady October 7, 2024 / 3:31 pm

    I got a notification about this one – hurray!

    Unfortunately I don’t have any great words of wisdom to help you increase your container capacity – it sounds like you are trying everything you can, which I know isn’t very helpful to hear when you feel as desperate as you do right now. However, I do really want you to know that I hear you, that I relate and that I understand, and that there truly is no shame in feeling any of this. Thinking of you xx

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    • rubberbandsandchewinggum's avatar rubberbandsandchewinggum October 7, 2024 / 5:05 pm

      Yay for successful notifications-finally!! Thank you for this. I don’t know what the answer is, all I know is that I feel completely overwhelmed and utterly awful. I just want to hide… oh and fucking amazing- Anita has finally replied to a message I sent a week ago on Friday 😱🤨

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      • SH's avatar SH October 7, 2024 / 10:37 pm

        🫂🫂🫂🫂

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  3. Mac's avatar Mac October 7, 2024 / 5:26 pm

    Oh love. I feel this. Since I’ve gone back to only meeting once per week, it’s like therapy is a total dumpster fire. I honestly don’t know if I’m coming or going most of the time and often feel like quitting because honestly it feels like what’s the point. I hope things start to shift for you soon. Thinking of you…xx

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    • rubberbandsandchewinggum's avatar rubberbandsandchewinggum October 7, 2024 / 5:52 pm

      It’s exactly like that isn’t it? I feel like my system is in free fall a lot of the time. It’s worse lately because my life is a fucking huge mess and then the Anita stuff is just endless shit… and I think my coping has run out. The evenings are getting dark and all it seems to do is rain ☔️ . I’m sorry it’s crappy your end too 💕

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  4. SH's avatar SH October 7, 2024 / 10:37 pm

    Wish I had advice ❤️. Huge hugs to you and your system. You’re juggling so much.

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  5. milkywaythesun's avatar milkywaythesun October 8, 2024 / 4:24 am

    Have you tried AlAnon or ACOA or another program or group to fill in gaps during the week when you can’t see A?

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    • rubberbandsandchewinggum's avatar rubberbandsandchewinggum October 8, 2024 / 7:00 am

      No. I try and fill my time outside working with walking in nature, time with friends, and things like massage or craniosacral therapy. I struggle with group settings – I find them stressful and overstimulating. I’m actually thinking of taking up a draft like patchwork or crochet- something that is immersive and repetitive to distract but feel like I’m being creative. Although obviously the ideal situation would be two therapy sessions a week 😂

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  6. Laura's avatar Laura October 8, 2024 / 8:23 am

    Oh lovely 😔

    Really understand this too, I went from two sessions of 1hr each and check ins to one 50 min session and it broke me, I couldn’t continue because the uncertainty between time was excruciating.

    I’d vote for trying online for the other session, this isn’t Anita or Em, and maybe use it more as a checking in/gentle containment session rather than any depth trauma stuff.

    Or, is there another theraputic option you could add in weekly to help the containment (and the added bonus of having someone about when the other is on holiday) more craniosacral stuff, a somatic worker, an OT etc etc?

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    • rubberbandsandchewinggum's avatar rubberbandsandchewinggum October 8, 2024 / 9:06 am

      That must’ve been brutal for you. It’s hard going from two hours and contact to what I have now which in all honesty is probably no different – it’s just the spacing. And also it’s not like Elle and I have ever done twice a week so it’s not like there’s been a step back. In fact we started with an hour and increased to 90 minutes. It’s just a very long time between isn’t it?

      I think it would be good to have an actual tangible conversation in the week even if it was like 15 minutes. I guess I’ll have to figure it out. I think also probably I need to be a bit more open in my emails about what is going on. Like a random meme is really a bid for connection because inside it’s crap.

      And I think, yes, I need to think about how to factor in seeing K more. This summer has been a total washout with my son being so sick and I used to see K alternate weeks or even weekly. Now I’m back at work I’m stretched even thinner so I need to find ways to soothe the system.

      How’s it’s all with you? Hope you’re hanging in there xx

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      • Laura's avatar Laura October 8, 2024 / 1:31 pm

        My T left me about 6 weeks after A left you, so I feels like we’ve been negotiating this crap together in a weird way!

        It took me about 6 months to find someone who would take me on, being rejected by a therapist is a bit of red flag for alot of them I think. Anyway, found someone and tried for a few months but one zoom appointment of 50 mins a week was just a disaster. She was very critical over how past T had been, the fact she read me stories and held me etc. So yeah, that was that. I’m still looking but it’s exhausting and I fear that horrible sentence of ‘your too complex’ which keeps coming out of people’s mouths 😢

        Understandable that everything has gone on the back burner in terms of additional supports with how poorly your son has been. Maybe now things are slightly less up in the air there is a tiny bit of time to carve out better support for you.

        and yes yes yes to being more able to communicate on email or send the blog post or however it feels most achievable xx

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      • rubberbandsandchewinggum's avatar rubberbandsandchewinggum October 8, 2024 / 2:40 pm

        Oh love. I am so so sorry to hear this. All of it. It just feels like one bloody hurt and rejection after another doesn’t it? I can really understand how 50 minutes online alongside the judgements of what was and wasn’t ‘right’ (their eyes) about your last therapy would have not helped at all. I don’t think people get that that stuff is what worked well, that stuff isn’t bad, it’s therapists’ inability to hold their own shit and work closely with their supervisors when they’re wobbly that’s the problem. There’s no one right way to do therapy and to suggest there is is twattish ignorance 😜. Seriously, though, I am so sorry it’s been tough finding someone to work with and I really hope you get the support you absolutely deserve soon. Big hug 🤗

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      • SH's avatar SH October 11, 2024 / 9:17 am

        1000% yep… a friend’s therapist just dropped them abruptly… ugh, whats with Ts who can’t hold their own shit? Rhetorical qn 😭.

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      • rubberbandsandchewinggum's avatar rubberbandsandchewinggum October 11, 2024 / 3:57 pm

        Ohhh noooo!!! I wish this shocked or even slightly surprised me but it doesn’t. It’s certainly the shadow side of therapy. I wonder how many therapists have done this over their careers… not many would admit to it, I’m sure. #harmintherapy 💩

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  7. Carol anne's avatar Carol anne October 12, 2024 / 7:36 pm

    hi RB so sorry things are so hard, I can relate, I get it, I really do. The kids needs can be so intense, same for us, the attachment shit can be hard to cope with when it is ongoing, i relate, too xoxo

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